Don’t Take a Picture on the Plane Until You Read This Story

Next time you’re tempted to take a snapshot of an interesting cloud formation or your seatmate sprawling into your personal space on a plane, remember Arash Shirazi and Steven Leslie.

Both of them are law-abiding citizens and air travelers. And both recently ran afoul of the airline industry’s confusing photography rules.

With only days before the busy summer travel season unleashes millions of shutterbugs on America’s airports, it’s helpful to know about the airline industry’s little problem with cameras so that your own camera doesn’t become hung up on it.

Don't Take a Picture on the Plane Until You Read This StoryShirazi, a music agent, was recently waiting in the Reagan National terminal for a flight from Washington to Los Angeles when he decided to take a picture of an American Airlines aircraft with his smartphone. He wanted to share it with his friends on social media.

A gate agent saw him snapping photos, stopped Shirazi and “demanded to know why I was taking a picture of airport equipment,” he remembers. “I showed her the picture and offered to delete it, but she became even more combative, accusing me of being a security threat. She made it a point to tell me that she was going to document this security breach in my travel record.”

Shirazi said he apologized, adding that even as a frequent flier he was unaware of any prohibitions against taking photos of planes. “But she was curt and told me to either get on the plane or take the next one,” he recalls.

He’s right. American Airlines doesn’t publish any prohibitions against taking photos of its aircraft. But late last year it updated its internal policies to allow employees at the airport, including ticket counters, gates, cargo, baggage, and onboard, to stop passengers from taking pictures.

“The policy is in place to protect employees and customers,” says Andrea Huguely, an American Airlines spokeswoman.

Steven Leslie faced a similar reaction from an airline employee when he started filming a passenger boarding a JetBlue flight. Leslie, a soft-spoken pharmacist flying from Albuquerque to New York, noticed a family with a sick child. The crew looked worried about the boy’s health. His family said he had cancer and had been medically cleared to fly.

The incident occurred only a few days after another cancer patient was expelled from an Alaska Airlines flight under similar circumstances, and Leslie decided to tape the conversation on his phone.

“It was my original intent to record this uncomfortable situation because I felt it was wrong,” he says.

Apparently, JetBlue felt something was wrong, too. After the family was removed from the aircraft, an airline employee ordered that Leslie delete the video. He politely refused, and then he, too, was escorted from the aircraft.

The reason? A crew member told him he didn’t “feel safe” being recorded.

JetBlue rebooked Leslie on the next flight, which departed nine hours later. After I covered the incident on my consumer advocacy blog and a New Mexico TV station aired a report about Leslie’s expulsion, the airline reviewed the incident and admitted to Leslie that the crew member’s request to delete the recording fell into a “gray area.” It apologized, offered him a flight credit and covered some of his expenses associated with spending an extra night in Albuquerque.

It turns out JetBlue doesn’t have a published photography policy, either. “Our crew members use their professional judgment in evaluating the appropriate use of photography or videography onboard, especially when it involves the privacy of other customers and the safe and secure operations of the airline,” says Morgan Johnston, an airline spokesman.

If these incidents prove anything, it’s that airlines can be a little camera-shy. That’s not new. When pressed, most airlines say that their policies allow cameras to be used onboard to record a “personal” event, but that snapshots of the crew, other passengers or any security procedure are off-limits.

But what’s unusual is the number of photography cases that have crossed my desk recently, thanks to the loosening of restrictions on in-flight electronics. They’re amplified by a larger debate about police misconduct and body cameras happening beyond travel. If I had to make an educated guess, I’d predict more confrontations between crew members and passengers with cameras in the future.

Can airlines stop you from taking photos? Yes, if you’re on a plane, says Daniel Greenberg, an attorney who specializes in photography rights issues.

“You can’t prohibit photography in public,” he says. “But the prohibition of photography on private property is legitimate. That decision is up to the property owner. If you don’t want to follow the carrier’s rules, don’t get on the carrier’s plane.”

For summer air travelers, it’s perhaps best to view photography on planes as you would taking pictures in France, a country known for its restrictive public photography laws. At least that’s how Nancy Nally, a frequent flier and photographer, thinks of it.

“I’m very careful about the circumstances I photograph in onboard,” she explains. “I am very clear about not pointing the camera at anyone but myself or inanimate objects. I don’t photograph with flight attendants nearby. I have gotten very good at not drawing attention to myself because I know that my travel schedule is subject to the whims of the flight attendants.”

Jeffrey Loop, an attorney and photographer, agrees that keeping a low profile is the best way to avoid a photography-related entanglement. “If you are taking photos on the aircraft and are asked to stop, don’t argue or take offense,” he adds. “Just stop and save yourself a heap of potential trouble. Arguing with cabin crew about your perceived rights will almost always be a losing proposition.”

Why are airlines so photo-sensitive? Part of the reason is surely publicity; they don’t want to end up in a viral video. Another part is security, which Shirazi’s incident only hints at.

Either way, it means that on your next flight, you’ll need to watch where you point that lens.

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10 mistakes you’re making at the airport

By Deb Hopewell

From the baggage drop to the security line to the boarding gate, just getting through the airport these days can throw pitfalls at you that you never saw coming. Even if you sail through the lines, there are other things you can do to make the wisest use of your time — and money — at the airport. Here are 10 typical airport mistakes you may be making, as well as my expert tips on making it out of the airport, and onto your plane, with as little hassle as possible.

1. Not downloading your airline/airport app

Using your carrier’s app is important not just at the airport, but before you get there, too. Most carriers have apps you can download on your smartphone that will alert you if your flight is delayed or canceled, even before you leave for the airport. Once there, the information on the app is often more up-to-date than the arrival/departure screens in the terminal. More and more airports have developed apps that help travelers navigate the terminals with maps, lists of services, etc. One particularly useful app is GateGuru, which covers more than 200 airports and, among other features, allows users to rate shops and restaurants as well as offer insider tips — a Yelp for airports.

2. Not checking in online

I was flabbergasted recently at the line snaking up to the ticket counter — just to check in. (And there were even check-in kiosks!) Unless you have some kind of problem that can’t be resolved ahead of time, there’s no good reason for not checking in online. Just have the ticket sent to your phone (via text or email link), and if you don’t have any luggage to check, you can skip the counter and head straight to the security line. (If you have luggage you’ll need to drop it off, but if you’ve checked in beforehand, this goes quickly.) Also, some airlines only let you choose a seat when you check in; if you’re flying one of these, you’ll want to check in and choose your seat as soon as possible within the check-in time (usually 24 hours).

 3. Not having TSA PreCheck

If you fly more than just a few times a year, you’ll want to apply for TSA PreCheck. It’s very rare that the PreCheck lines are anywhere as long as the regular lines.  And because you don’t remove your shoes, laptop and liquids, the lines move much quicker AND you’re not likely to leave something behind in the bin as you scramble to get things back into your carryon. You’ll need to fill out the application and pay a $85 non-refundable fee, then schedule an appointment at one of the more than 380 enrollment centers. That may sound like a lot of work (not to mention the money), but it’s good for five years and worth its price in saved time and aggravation.

4. Not bringing food with you

It’s no secret that airport food, whether from a grab-and-go vendor or a sit-down restaurant, comes with a hefty price tag — and the only value-add is convenience, usually not quality. And that’s not the only reason to pack a snack in your carry-on luggage: If you get held up in the TSA line and get squeezed for time, a sandwich, chips, cookies and fruit in your carry-on can save the day. Most food is allowed, except for liquids like salad dressings, soups, yogurt, etc. If in doubt, check the TSA’s website for prohibited food items.

5. Wearing the wrong clothing

I don’t just dress for comfort on the plane, I strategically dress to get through the line faster too. Even if you have TSA PreCheck, there will be times when those lines are closed and you end up in the regular lines, unpacking your laptop, taking off your shoes and belt, and digging out the liquids. It pays to play it safe if at all possible. That means eliminating anything that could set off alarms when going through the body scanner, like chunky jewelry or a belt. Keep your footwear simple, too, with shoes that are quick and easy to get on and off (and don’t forget socks!).

6. Not taking advantage of courtesy checked bag at the gate

If you’re a travel warrior who never checks a bag, this isn’t for you. But if you have to check a bag (i.e. you’ll need to go to baggage claim anyway), you can often check your carry-on at the gate for no extra charge. I’ve run across this numerous times, especially on domestic flights that are full and when overhead space is at a premium.  Usually the gate agent will make an announcement asking for volunteers to check their carry-ons, but I’ve asked and been given the OK. I just make sure the things I need on the plane can fit in a bag under my seat, and I have one less bag to carry around — particularly helpful if you have a connecting flight and don’t want to lug it around the airport.

7. Not playing nice

It’s not a matter of if, only when: You’re going to need someone’s help. It could be a problem of your own making, or the airline’s, or a force majeure, but it almost never pays to be angry, indignant or whiny. Patience and a smile go a long way when it comes to increasingly harried gate and flight attendants, TSA agents and even your fellow travelers. I’ve seen overweight bags given a pass (no punitive fee), seats changed and special favors accommodated clearly because someone asked nicely. And even if you don’t end up getting what you want (or need), you know you went about it the best way possible.

8. Not buying a pass to the airport lounge

If you’re not an elite flyer, or aren’t enrolled in a credit card that offers this perk, the world of airport lounges can seem like a pricey, exotic indulgence. But there are occasions — most notably if you have a long international layover — that it’s worth buying a day pass to your carrier’s airport lounge. Not long ago I had a seven-hour layover in San Salvador, and I happily coughed up the $25 fee just to have a quiet place to rest. It also included free Wi-Fi, surprisingly good food and a generous array of beverages, including liquor. Most U.S. airlines charge $50-$60 for a day pass, which is a good chunk of change. But not paying food and drinks offsets a good part of that.

9. Sending personal information over the airport Wi-Fi

Thankfully, more airports are acknowledging that free Wi-Fi isn’t just a convenience for travelers, it’s a necessity. And that’s a good thing! But never forget that “free” doesn’t mean “safe”: Public Wi-Fi networks aren’t secure, so whatever you do, don’t type in personal information — passwords, IDs, etc. — or you could return from your trip only to find your Facebook has been hacked and your bank account drained.

10. Not marking your luggage

You’ve been there, done that, and now you’re almost home. All that’s left is to grab your luggage from baggage claim. And one by one here they come, an endless stream of suitcases that look more or less the same. Save yourself the hassle of looking at each bag as is it goes by marking yours with a brightly colored tag (mine’s bright orange). Not only will it have your contact info  — gasp — your luggage go missing, but if all goes as planned you’ll be able to spot yours in a quick second and on your way you’ll go.

Flight attendants reveal 9 ‘behind the scenes’ secrets – which most passengers don’t know about

Flying has never been easier – but make sure you pay attention to these lot before you take your next flight

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Once upon a time, jetting off on an airplane used to be the preserve of the super-wealthy.

Nowadays, thanks to relatively recent rise of budget airlines, increasingly competitive airfares and more flight paths, experiencing an overseas holiday has never been easier.

As a result, many of us probably think we know exactly what to do at check-in , as well as what to expect at 35,000 feet.

But as with any work environment, there’s a lot more going on behind the sceneswhich we don’t know about.

Flight attendants and airline employees shared some fascinating insights on Quora , revealing plenty of things most airline passengers are unaware of.

A mixture of the gross and the enlightening, they’ll (hopefully) change the way you fly. At the very least, you’ll certainly think twice before putting on a pair of headphones.

1. Music to the ear

Watching a film, listening to some music or simply drowning out the noise around you may seem like a great way of passing the time, but maybe ask for some new headphones before you tune out.

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Those headphones may not be that ‘boxfresh’

Apparently, many “airlines who provide headphones hardly or even NEVER bother to replace the foamy-like ear parts.

“So please ALWAYS tear them once you use them just to make sure that they will replace them.”

And the same applies to any pillows or blankets you’ve been handed for the flight. Ask for a new set if you can.

2. Working hours

“We are not paid during boarding or until the door to the aircraft is shut. This means it’s mandatory to show up to work about two hours early but not be paid for it.”

3. Thirsty?

Another flight attendant pitied anyone having a water-based drink.

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Two words: ‘Galley Springs’

“The water from the plane is disgusting. I feel truly sorry for our coffee and hot water drinkers. That water is in a tank under the plane and I’ve never seen that tank be cleaned out.”

Another one even revealed the plane water was referred to as “Galley Springs”.

Delightful.

4. Toilet break

No one likes the toilets on planes. The constricted space, the unflattering lighting. But even flight attendants avoid them if possible.

One fight attendant admitted, “To be honest I only use the lavatories on the airplane if I need to wash my hands or if I absolutely have to go to the bathroom.

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Cabin toilet in modern airplane

“If it’s a short flight and I can leave the plane, I’m definitely waiting until I can use the bathroom in the airport.”

And Kelly Goodnuff added, “[…] Just how dirty the floor is. We think it’s disgusting when you do not wear shoes in to the toilet.”

5. Kindness pays

Being a good Samaritan and swapping seats can result in some VIP treatment according to Fatihah Sudewo.

“If you’re one of those who have a big heart in giving up your seat for whatever reason without making a scene, we treat you ‘special’.

“We would give you two bread rolls instead of one, a whole can of soda instead of rationing it, basically we would compensate you for your kindness.”

No mention of an upgrade to first class though.

6. DON’T ask us to help in the following scenarios

An anonymous user revealed the following: “We have to be diplomatic in situations to avoid discrimination lawsuits.

“For example, that man that’s overweight and spilling into your seat on a full flight? I can’t tell him to suck in his gut or ask a thin person to switch with you.

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A flight attendant needs to be careful with what they say

“However, you can, because the worst that can happen is you’ll get a no and maybe a glare.

“If I do, I am risking a possible lawsuit against my airline or at worst, my job.

“With the age of social media, a lot of things get twisted. I never want to be the flight attendant that ‘harassed a mother and her crying baby’ or ‘not let allow a man with a medical condition sleep’ because he snores.

7. Perk of the job

Fatehah also admitted, “Our meals are slightly better than the passenger meals, and even though it depends on the airlines, we also get fresh fruits – like whole fruits and not the cut ones, pickles, bread rolls, desserts, beverages.

“Basically we have at least a trolley dedicated for the crews.”

Can we have some?

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A flight attendant’s meal may be a lot better than yours

8. Getting tipsy

That free booze on the trolley? Go easy on it. According to more than one flight attendant, many passengers don’t realize how much more drunk they get at 35,000 feet, owing to the altitude.

And if you’re getting noticeably drunk or out-of-hand, the flight attendant is responsible for managing the situation.

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It could be down to the altitude

“Sometimes if we think you’ve had too much to drink, we’ll serve you, but not serve the whole mini-bottle of booze,” confesses one user named Ellen. ”

“We may just dip the rim of the glass in enough vodka or gin and fill the rest with mixer.”

9. Missing a flight attendant?

Another anonymous user also explained an important point as follows.

“If your boarding is delayed because they are missing a flight attendant and you see a flight attendant rushing on to the plane, that flight attendant is most likely not the flight attendant that caused the delay.

“At airports we have standby flight attendants (one or two at a time) who are dressed in uniform, bags packed and ready to go if a flight needs them or reserve flight attendants who get short notice to cover a trip when another co-worker cannot make it.”

Revealed, the secret travel tips that airlines don’t want you to know

  • Experts offer little-known tips and tricks to ensure successful travel
  • Consider controversial ‘hidden city’ ticketing to secure a cheaper fare
  • Make sure you fly on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Saturdays 
  • Delays of more than three hours could result in a payout from airlines

Whether you’ve experienced that last-minute, several-hour flight delay or the unfortunate experience of an airline losing your baggage, almost all frequent flyers can tell their fair share of holiday horror stories.

 

But, as it turns out, there are ways to ensure that your air travel experience is as seamless as can be expected… despite what the airlines want you to think.

We’ve talked to the experts to ascertain the most important money and time saving hacks to get you flying like a pro. 

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Air travel horror stories are common, but there are several little-known time and money-saving tips to help

Try 'hidden city' ticketing: buying a cheaper airline ticket for a flight that has a layover at your destination 


1. Consider ‘hidden city’ ticketing for serious savings

This is the idea of buying a cheaper airline ticket for a flight to anywhere that has a layover at your actual destination.

It’s clearly a controversial travel trick, however. When a New York City man developed a website, Skiplagged.com, last year, which helped travellers find cheaper flights through this style of ticketing, both United Airlines and Orbitz filed a civil lawsuit.

It’s also important to note that this strategy only works if you book a one-way flight, have no checked bags, and happen to be heading to a destination that is not a regional airline hub.

The idea involves booking a flight with a stop-off and not taking the second leg of the journey. For example, if you want to fly from Miami to New York, it could be cheaper to book a flight to Toronto with a change in New York, then just abandon the second part of the journey. The same applies around the world.

Flight schedule changed at the last minute without warning? It turns out that full refunds may be possible

2. Full refunds on flights are possible to redeem

Have you ever booked a flight months in advance, only to have your flight schedule changed just weeks ahead of your trip?

As it turns out, when an airline does that, most are obligated to re-book customers on new flights without any additional fees – and if they newly proposed travel times aren’t acceptable, travellers just may be eligible for a full refund.

Keep in mind, however, that you will likely wind up paying more anyway since fares tend to go up closer to departure meaning that your full refund may not cover the cost of a replacement flight.

In the US, it's been ruled that there may not be 'arbitrary limits' placed on compensation for lost checked bags

3. Compensation owed on delayed bags may be greater than you think

In the United States, the Department of Transportation issued a directive to all airlines stating that in the event of lost checked bags – and also delayed bags – that there cannot be ‘arbitrary limits’ placed on monetary compensation.

Essentially, this means that while often airlines offer very little in compensation (if any) for delayed bags, or simply hand out a future travel voucher or frequent flyer miles, the maximum liability that you can claimed may actually be as high as $3,300.

However, this particular number does only apply for domestic US travel and the limits on international travel are often less.

Want some space to stretch out and relax? Book a flight on days when airlines have more seats available

4. Flight delays could offer a major payout

It’s not just American passengers who benefit from compensation. In the EU, you are entitled to a pay-out if your flight is delayed by more than three hours on arrival – if it was the airline’s fault.

On a short flight, the amount payable is €250 (about £200) per person; on a mid-length flight, it’s €400pp (around £320); and on a long-haul flight, it’s between €300 and €600pp (about £240 to £480), depending on the length of the delay.

And don’t feel obligated to accept vouchers, you’re entitled to the cash, according to EC Regulation 261/2004.

These rules apply to all flights made from airports in the EU irrespective of the airline, and flights made to EU airports on EU airlines. The rules also cover flights from/to Iceland, Norway and Switzerland, even though these countries aren’t in the EU. 

But if the disruption was outside of the airline’s control, such as bad weather, air traffic control problems or staff strikes, it doesn’t have to pay out.

If airlines cannot get you to your destination in a timely manner, they may owe you the fare - and then some!

The U.S. Department of Transportation has a similar rule. If the airline gets you to your destination late – between one and two hours of your scheduled arrival on a domestic flight or between one and four hours on an international trip – you may be owed a compensation of 200 per cent of the one-way fare to your destination.

If the airline can’t meet those time requirements, it owes you 400 per cent of the fare – which could be as high as $1,300.

And if your carrier opts to book you an alternate route on a different airline, the original must still cover all expenses and extras that the new airline may levy.

5. Fly on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays

Recent research from Expedia and the Airlines Reporting Corporation (ARC) has found that it’s best to buy tickets on a Tuesday – and ideally, more than 21 days in advance – to take advantage of the best possible rates.

But that doesn’t mean those are the best days to take to the skies, according to USA Today‘s Rick Seaney.

Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays tend to be the days when airlines have a greater surplus of seats available – likely because they are the least convenient days when it comes to accommodating work schedules and weekend getaways – and so, offer the cheapest fares.

In the United States, after three hours of Tarmac delays, you can disembark the plane

6. After three hours of Tarmac delays, you CAN get off the plane

At least in the United States! The Department of Transport mandates that during a lengthy Tarmac delay in the U.S. (arrival or departure), an airline cannot keep passengers on a plane for more than three hours on a domestic flight or four hours on an international flight without allowing you to disembark.

After two-hour delays, airlines also must provide you with food and water, provide regular 30-minute updates. So even if you are just connecting through the US, this applies to you.

In the UK or the EU, however, no equivalent rule exists. According to the Civil Aviation Authority, while there is not a specific length of time that airlines can keep passengers on a parked aircraft during a delay, it is expected that ‘all operators abide by the regulations that are in place regarding delayed flights and ensure a suitable level of welfare is maintained.’

And all of this, of course, is subject to security and safety considerations.

Take advantage of the fact that some websites allow you to switch the date of your flight without paying more

7. Save hundreds by ‘booking the wrong date’

‘EasyJet’s Flexifares let you switch the date of your flight by a few weeks, without paying more, Steve Nowottny, consumer and features editor at MoneySavingExpert explains.

‘This offers a sneaky way for you to bag peak-time flights for less.

‘For example, you can buy cheap flights during in-term time, then swap for your chosen school holiday date.

Of course, it’s not fool proof – and you’ll need to be careful that the dates will line up correctly to such a plan – but Nowottny insists that some travellers have saved serious amounts using this little-known trick.

Experts also recommend checking out 'code-sharing' to find cheaper bookings between two partner airlines

8. Code-share and always check for cheap seats

There are plenty of ways to ensure the cheapest possible fare on the flight of your dreams.

‘Sometimes, two or more airlines sell the same flights and booking via one partner is cheaper,’ Nowottny tells MailOnline Travel.

‘For example, a United flight from Birmingham to New York can be cheaper via Lufthansa. This can be a good way of flying with well-known airlines for less.’

The MoneySavingExpert editor also recommends checking how many cheap seats are left on a flight if you’re thinking of booking, but not quite ready to commit just yet.

‘Many airlines let you book seats for up to about nine passengers, so pretend to make the booking for more seats than you need,’ he says.

‘If the cheap fare’s still available for nine seats, then you’ve got breathing space. If the fare shoots up after three, four or five seats, you’ll need to grab it as soon as possible.’

It's also recommended to use a credit card for your booking whenever possible and to keep all documents

Although plenty of airlines offer incentive for completing a booking on your debit card, it may be wise to pay via credit card instead.

Bob Atkinson, travel expert at TravelSupermarket advises always paying at least £100 of your travel purchase by credit card to give you financial protection in the event of anything going wrong.

If that’s not possible, using a debit card is still preferable to paying with cash, cheque or bank transfer.

10. Keep all tickets, receipts and any other documentation 

To make any sort of successful claim, you’ll need to have kept all travel receipts, tickets and any other relevant documents.

Atkinson also recommends writing your experience down while it’s still fresh in your mind.

‘Jot down as many details as possible at the time of your delay so you don’t forget any key facts,’ he tells MailOnline Travel.

Former flight attendant: Not only do pilots hook up with the attendants but also passengers frequently

Last week, we received a huge response from readers when we posed the question of whether or not pilots hop in bed with flight attendants regularly while flying together. My friend, Pilot Mike said he’d never really witnessed it, but many of you replied and said otherwise. Let’s look at some of your responses.

Yes, they do hook up:

Abacaxi: As a former flight attendant who recently resigned: Yes, they do hook up with flight attendants frequently. I can’t believe he said he has never seen it. Not only do pilots hook up with the attendants but also passengers they meet on the flights, random women at bars hotels etc. Same goes for flight attendants, quite a lot of whom have multiple guys they see in different places. We were warned in training how often this happens and that in smaller companies, assume everyone will know about it. Its a stressful lifestyle and a lonely one, prone to a lot of drinking on layovers. Also, it seemed like most of the pilots who were married- were actively cheating or trying to cheat on their wives. I learned that one airline, the pilots wives came together to pressure the company into booking different hotels for Attendants and pilots to avoid this.

MisterHippity: My brother is an airline captain and I spent a lot of time hanging out with professional pilots, and this has been been my impression. I shared an apartment with him and partied with his pilot buddies, and I can testify that these guys and flight attendants hook up all the time. As a general rule, they all liked to drink and have sex, a lot.

astrongcupofjoel: An ex got a job as a flight attendant for Delta about two years back. Said pilots and flight attendants were hitting on each other pretty openly. Most of the people she worked with were pretty old and we thought it kinda funny that so many of them partied so hard and sexed it up so much. Once while on the phone after one of her flights, I overheard her saying goodbye to the other attendants and pilots and one of the pilots told her to come to his room later for a drink. Sounded pretty out in the open to me…

VTECkickedinBRO: I’m betting the male/male flight attendant/pilot hookups happen waaaaaaaaaay more than the male/female hookups do.

kingcaii: I had a co-worker who became a good friend of mine. Her (now ex-) husband was a commercial pilot for a major company. She came to find out that he cheated on her, many times, with one of the flight attendants that flew with him. It was like a fictional story— when he and the FA in question landed anywhere except their home port of SeaTac, WA, they acted like they were a couple. Even in the airport. One of my co-worker’s friends happened to be at one of those other airports and informed her. So…. yeah, it happens.

Jesus Diaz: There’s plenty of pilots and flight attendants hooking up for both long term relationships and one-night stands in Iberia airlines. I’m told (by pilots) it’s the same for any other airline in Europe. There are also cases of pilots having double lives and two families (in Spain and in Miami or Cuba or some South American country) back in the days when the flight crews had to stay at their destinations for a few days. Neither family knew about each other.

toecutter: My mom worked housekeeping at an airport motel. A lot of pilots and flight attendants stayed there. She said it was like a Roman orgy.

J-box25: I worked as a driver for a Hilton hotel for a few years and let me tell u they definitely hook up lol. We would pick up the flight crews and bring them to the hotel. They are like kids on a school bus once the plane lands.

Flight attendants from various airlines at the Boeing 737 dedication. [Getty]

You said they also hook up with other strangers:

sorbo1980: They don’t hook up with the crew; they hook up with the hotel staff (usually a bartender or waiter) where they’re staying. Also, tends to happen with airlines with younger staffs. I write from experience.

TheTroof: You should have asked how often they have random hook-ups and one night stands during their overnight stays in different cities. If you live near a big airport, just troll the nearby hotel lobby bars, or local watering holes, and trust me…you’ve got a pretty good chance of banging a flight attendant that night LOL. 😉

TaterNutsAnon: In university I was in a crappy bar one night with a friend. Next table over was 4 flight attendants and a pilot. All in their uniforms and getting very drunk. We ended up joining our tables together and getting absolutely wrecked. I was looking to head back to the hotel with 1 (or 2! [Ahhh, youth]) of the ladies when the pilot suggested, why don’t we move this back to the hotel, I got upgraded to a room with a king bed and a Jacuzzi. The girls seemed interested, but it was just too weird for me. My buddy went with them, and passed out in the cab on the way to their hotel. They left him in the cab.

Reborn Pyrrhic: From personal experience I find that most of the hooking up by the flight crews is done with strangers over Craigslist.

TSZ2788: So some of these people are practically like pirates. Where every port they went to they had a girl to f**k with.

They may hook up, but it’s a bad idea:

Tony: Because you have to work with that person again. And it’s awkward if everyone knows you did the nasty and is trying not to comment on it and you’re trying to pretend that nothing happened. Just because it’s an office at 35,000 feet doesn’t mean it’s not an office!

gla2yyz: In my experience flying as a passenger on US regional carriers, hooking up with a member of the cabin crew wouldn’t be something to brag about. I’m sure they’re all lovely people who most definitely work in very challenging conditions but the photo above isn’t EXACTLY representative of who will be serving you pretzels and a thimble of Sprite on your typical Colgan or Comair flight.

Diesel: I saw a documentary about a pilot hooking up with his stewardess. It didn’t end well for either of them.

By the time most flight crews are done for the day, they’re too tired to have much fun. [pic by Sebastian Oliva on Flickr / Creative Commons commercial license]

These people are full of it:

LeeTunnell: As a pilot for one of the largest US airlines (probably the most hated too) Here is my version..Maybe I’m jaded from the years….Hookups…Ha Have you seem most crews walking around? That would make for the worst porn movie in the world. Here is what it would happen. Old pilot tells tales of his flying stories or high school football days “Glory Days” and flight attendant shows pictures of her cats. Then they fall asleep at 7 pm. I guess between our cat loving grandmas in the back and the grumpy old farts up front I don’t think much is happening but hey you never know throw a long layover in there with some booze.

colorfulyawn: Maybe I’m naive, but I expect flight attendants and pilots to behave in a professional and respectful manner toward each other, and would be surprised if the salacious cliches were true about them “hooking up” with each other.

figbash > colorfulyawn: You’re not really that naive. Most pilots and flight attendants are too damn tired when they reach their destinations to do any major hooking up, and even if they had the energy, they usually don’t want to hook up with the people they work with. They want sleep, not a roll in the hay.

Thanks to everyone who responded with anecdotes, either first-hand of from acquaintances. As you can see, there’s not a general rule here — but the lifestyle makes it possible to have frequent non-committal encounters, if you’re into that sort of thing.

 

Day In The Life: What It’s Like To Be A Female Pilot At 40,000 Feet

Michelle Knoll likes to think her “office” has the best view in the world.

From her window, she sees the ruins of Rome, or some days, the Northern Lights.

Knoll, 44, is a corporate pilot and her Fortune 500 company’s first female captain. For six years, she has privately flown the company’s executives domestically and internationally to hours- or days-long business meetings.

It takes a certain kind of personality to do Knoll’s job. She has a thick skin (as a woman in a male-dominated industry) and she loves the novelty of constant travel: “The way I’m made, I really crave for things to be different. I like the unfamiliarity. I adapt well to change.”

Here’s is a snapshot of a recent day in the sky:

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Prep Time

In preparation for a 10:00 a.m. flight from New York to Charleston, S.C. and a four-day trip, Knoll spends the evening before in her Jersey City, N.J. apartment, packing her suitcase and work materials (including her flight crew credentials and her pilot and medical licenses) and reviewing her flight and fuel plan and route options.

Being a pilot is a “24-hour-a-day job,” says Knoll, so sleep is important — getting eight hours per night helps her body adjust to time changes and long periods of sitting.

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Off To Work

Knoll wakes up to her iPhone alarm at 5 a.m. and gets into her typical gray suit and Brooks Brothers white collared shirt (just like the guys she works with). To compensate for a rather sedentary job, she eats light: breakfast is fruit and granola.

It’s New York and there’s always traffic, so Knoll pulls out of her driveway at 6:30 a.m. to arrive at the company’s hangar by 8:00. She spends two hours “pre-flighting” the aircraft (which includes testing equipment and reviewing maintenance performed) alongside her second pilot and one flight attendant and the dispatch, line and maintenance crews. She personally welcomes her passengers (usually anywhere from one to 12 businesspeople), briefing them on the weather, time en route and expected turbulence.

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Up In The Air

During climb and descent, to and from 10,000 feet, Knoll and the other pilot observe “sterile cockpit,” when all conversation is flight-related. During cruise (usually above 40,000 feet), the plane is set to autopilot, allowing for personal interaction.

“You get to know people very well when you sit with them in the cockpit for hours and hours on end,” Knoll says. “You become sort of a family.”

Knoll’s co-pilots are usually male — currently just three of 16 pilots in Knoll’s company are female. Overall, only 6% of commercial pilots are women.

In fact, people “all the time” assume Knoll is the flight attendant, particularly when traveling into countries less accustomed to seeing a women in such a role. One time, an on-site crew repeatedly directed all questions to Knoll’s male co-pilot, despite the fact that her co-pilot repeatedly deferred, saying, “She’s the captain. She’s the captain,” Knoll recalls.

But women make great pilots, according to Knoll, because women are natural multitaskers. And encouragingly, more scholarships and flight-instruction internships are being offered by groups like Women in Aviation, opening up the field to a wider group of women.

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You Should Never Post Online or Throw Away Your Airport Boarding Pass. Here’s Why

uring our flight, we need to take good care of our passports and boarding pass as these are among the most important things that we will need upon boarding. And while we consider a boarding pass an important component of our sojourn, we treat this piece of paper differently. Some people are so excited about the travel that they take pictures of their boarding pass and post in online. There are also some people who throw the boarding pass away while others leave it on their seats.

A boarding pass is just a piece of card that contains the name of the passenger, flight number, destination, seat number, and gate number so after the flight, most people think that throwing it anywhere, misplacing it, or even taking pictures of it is harmless.

But did you know that a boarding pass must be taken care of even after boarding? Winston Krone, a forensic expert, explained that a boarding pass has a bar code that contains the passenger’s personal information such as the name, home address, email address, and contact number. As such, a hacker can easily gain access to your personal information as well as financial details.

You might be wondering how your personal information can be seen in a boarding pass. This is how it happens. Once the bar code in the boarding pass is placed in a bar code reader, all the passenger’s information contained in that bar code is revealed; and this precious information is can be used by hackers or thieves.

Make sure that you keep your boarding pass safe before, during, and after the flight, and that you tear it down to pieces before throwing it away so nobody can gain access to the bar code.

It’s also safer not to take pictures and post online photos of your boarding pass. With the advanced technology that we have today, you can never be too sure. Who knows, your personal information may be acquired with a few swipes and a few clicks. For more detailed information, please watch the video.

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7 Famous Women You Never Knew Were Flight Attendants

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1. Carole Elizabeth Middleton (née Goldsmith; born 31 January 1955) is a former flight attendant turned businesswoman, and mother of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, and her siblings, Philippa “Pippa” Middleton, Charlotte Middleton and James William Middleton.

Middleton`s first grandchild, Prince George of Cambridge is third in the line of succession to the British throne, while Princess Charlotte of Cambridge, her second grandchild is now forth in line to succeed to the British throne.
During her flight attendant career she worked for British Airways, where she met her husband, Michael Francis Middleton.

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2. Lyudmila Aleksandrovna Putina (née Shkrebneva; born 6 January 1958) is a former flight attendant and the ex-wife of the Russian President and former Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. She was educated as a linguist. She graduated from the branch of Spanish language and philology at the Department of Philology of Leningrad State University, but in her early years she worked as a flight attendant for the Kaliningrad branch of Aeroflot.

 

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3. Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir (born 4 October 1942) is a former Member of the Icelandic Parliament (1978-2013), as well as the longest serving MP in the countries parliament history. She served as Iceland’s Minister of Social Affairs and Social Security for two terms. On 1st of February 2009 she became Iceland’s first female Prime Minister and the world’s first openly lesbian head of government.In her early years, after graduating from the Commercial College of Iceland she worked as a flight attendant with Loftleiðir (a predecessor of Icelandair).

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4. Queen Silvia of Sweden (born Silvia Renate Sommerlath on 23 December 1943) is the spouse of King Carl XVI Gustaf, mother of the heir apparent to the throne, Crown Princess Victoria. In 2011, Silvia became the longest serving queen of Sweden. She is a trained interpreter, speaking 6 languages, and although born in a wealthy family, she used to work as a flight attendant and an interpreter. It was during the 1972 while working as an educational host during the Summer Olympics in Munich that she met her husband, then Crown Prince Carl Gustaf.

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5. Kristen Mary “Kris” Jenner (née Houghton, formerly Kardashian; born November 5, 1955) is an American television personality who rose to fame for starring in the reality television series Keeping up with the Kardashians (2007–present).

Jenner has been married twice, first to lawyer Robert Kardashian and later to television personality and retired Olympic champion Bruce Jenner (now Caitlyn). She has four children with Kardashian (Kourtney, Kim, Khloé, and Robert) and two with Jenner (Kendall, and Kylie Jenner). She worked as a flight attendant for a year in 1976.

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6. Kate Linder (born November 2, 1947) is an American actress, best known for her role as Esther Valentine on The Young and the Restless, which she has played since 1982. She was born in Pasadena, California. After graduating with a BA in theater arts from San Francisco State University she began working as a flight attendant for Transamerica Airlines. In addition to her work in The Young and Restless, she is also a flight attendant for United Airlines.

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7. Hajah Mariam, the ex-wife of the Sultan of Brunei. Born Mariam Bell, she was working as a flight attendant with Royal Brunei Airlines when the richest man in the world fell in love with her. Half Bruneian, a quarter Japanese and a quarter English, she captivated him with her exotic looks and slender figure. In 1982 she became the second wife of the Sultan. They had 4 children together, and after 21 years of marriage, they divorced in 2003. Their divorce was one of the most expensive divorces in history.

 

Annoying Mistakes People Make at the Airport

it’s no secret that air travel has lost some of its glamour over the years. We might be able to attribute these changes to increased security procedures, more people traveling, or simply lack of common sense, but one thing is certain: people seem to do the darnedest things when they step into an airport. Study this list and don’t get caught being one of these travelers.

1. Oops, my passport is about to expire.
Traveling abroad comes with a few additional considerations to remember. Almost all countries require that there be at least six months of remaining validity on the passport, and some (like South Africa) tack on stipulations that there need to be at least two consecutive blank pages. Airlines also have to verify information before boarding for countries that require visas. Many a passenger has been left stranded and crying at the gate because they overlooked these rules. Airlines are held accountable and fined heavily if they let a passenger travel without proper documentation, so save your sob stories—they will not sway even the kindest of gate agents.

2. Losing track of time
It’s easy to be distracted by dazzling duty-free shopping, the lengthy bar menu, or airline lounges with comfy seats and buffet spreads. But don’t forget that when traveling across time zones, you need to be sure to keep track of local time (your watch may not always be right). Keep in mind that airlines close the door 15-20 minutes before the actual departure time to properly prepare the needed paperwork and weight and balance information. Gate agents do have a term for late-arriving passengers from connecting flights—”runners”—and they watch for them when the clock starts ticking. It’s never fun to be that last sweaty person to board after running through the terminal.

3. Not planning for baggage fees
Unless you are flying Southwest Airlines or are headed abroad, chances are you will have to pay for checked luggage. Despite this surcharge being around for more than a decade, many travelers still arrive dazed and confused when asked to pay for a bag. Study your airline’s baggage policy (not all are created equally), and beware weight and size limitations. There are ways around the extra fees: get a credit card that offers free checked bags or earn status with a frequent flier program. Often, free bags are extended to those traveling with an elite member, too. Of course, you can always fly first class, but even then, some airlines have adjusted checked bag policies (American recently reduced the checked bag limits from three to two for most first-class passengers).

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4. Thinking that an airline will never lose your luggage
Let’s hope it doesn’t happen—but there’s always a chance it will, and if it does, you will be glad you planned ahead. Place your phone number and address inside the bag for an airline to easily contact you. Also, place a colorful ribbon or identifiable tag on your bag to prevent it from being mistakenly snatched by someone else in a hurry. I have seen several passengers rush back to the gate embarrassed after grabbing the wrong bag. Carry a change of clothing in hand baggage, and always keep valuables and needed medication with you.

5. Thinking TSA Pre-Check is always faster
Pre-Check is one of the best things to happen to frequent travelers recently. But, experienced fliers are used to seeing novices using the line (mostly because of managed inclusion programs that randomly send passengers to the expedited line). You don’t need to remove shoes and electronics if in the expedited line (yet some people still do). And for heaven’s sake, sign up for Pre-Check so you, too, can usually have faster screening.

6. Being in your own little world
We’ve all seen them: travelers aimlessly walking through the airport with headphones on or texting with heads down. You are not the only person in the airport, so be courteous to those around you; it’s not possible to hear a beeping airport cart or someone trying to pass by with headphones on at full blast. Your fellow travelers will also thank you for not standing in the middle of the moving walkway or escalator when people are trying to pass. Don’t be that guy!

7. Rushing—even if you’re in a rush
You’re standing there, barefoot, with your belt off and personal toiletries exposed. But, don’t let security people or other passengers make you feel rushed. It’s so easy to forget something in the mad dash, like say a laptop or wallet. Tape a business card to electronic devices as a backup. I once left my laptop at security because a screening agent was barking at people to move along. When I realized my mistake later, TSA would not return it until I gave specific details of what was on my computer. It’s a good thing I had plenty of time.

8. Not booking a connecting flights on the same ticket
Savvy travelers can sometimes skirt higher fares by buying two separate tickets between cities or connecting from one airline to another. While it’s a great idea in theory, it can lead to mishap if checking bags or not allowing enough time to change planes. If you’re not traveling on the same itinerary throughout your trip, airlines are not liable for missed connections or delayed travel. And don’t forget: sometimes you have to clear security a second time between flights.

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9. Wasting time in line
These days, airline social media teams are an excellent resource when it comes to travel interruptions. Connect with them online while waiting in line or calling the 1-800 number. You are likely to get a faster solution and friendlier service than the exhausted airline employee dealing with grumpy fliers at the airport. If you have access to an airline lounge, don’t forget agents can assist you there, and lines are much shorter. It may even be worth paying for a day pass for expedited service and a cocktail or two while you wait.

10. Not checking and double checking
A hard and fast rule I have learned over the years is to double check everything. Just because the gate agent said your connecting gate is B6 does not mean it has not changed. Just because an airline ticket agent says the flight is full and no room to standby, does not mean that other passengers might be late, opening up seats. Just because someone says you cannot get a free hotel room due to an overnight flight delay does not mean that said person was misinformed or unclear on the rules. Never pester and always be polite, but just because someone says something is so, does not always mean it is so. At airports, it seems people are more eager to tell you something to move you along rather than to genuinely be right.

Stewardess? Steward? How about just Flight attendant?

Pan American Stewardesses in their uniforms in the 1960’s
Pan American Stewardesses in their uniforms in the 1960’s

Being a flight attendant has been my ideal career path since I have gotten to college. Being a Flight Attendant has changed a lot since the commercial jet age in the 1960’s. Let’s talk about why.

Flight Attendant versus Stewardess

Being a Flight Attendant in the 1960’s meant that you were referred to as a stewardess or a female steward. That meant that you were “attending” to the passengers needs while they were on the airplane. The most popular Stewardesses were the ones that were employed by Pan American Airlines.

To be qualified for the job you had to have a college degree as well as nursing training. Not only did you have to be educated you also had to be  female, physically attractive, be a certain height, between a certain age, and weigh a certain amount (once hired there were mandatory weight checks). Being a stewardess was about having the perfect combination as a woman. You had to essentially take care of others while looking good doing it. According to ABC News, a girdle was a part of the uniform as well.

How has it changed?

A person in the 21st century that assists passengers on an airplane to ensure their needs and safety is now referred to as Flight attendant. The requirements to get hired as a flight attendant are much more reasonable. You must be at least 21 years of age, have a High School diploma, and have customer service experience. You do not have to be strictly female to be hired by an airline, but because this career is associated with mostly women few men apply.

Why the change matters?

Julia T. Wood talks about in her book Gendered Lives how there are certain stereotypes within the work place for both male and females. For females the most common stereotypes are being a sex object, mother, child, or iron maiden.

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American airlines 21st century Flight attendants

For males the most common stereotypes are being a sturdy oak, fighter, and breadwinner. Being a stewardess in the 1960’s portrayed two out of the four stereotypes for women. The women were made into sex objects by what they had to wear to work such as the girdle and tight blue skirts (for Pan American in particular).The women were defined by their sexuality and that was also how they were ultimately hired. Second, these stewardesses were also defined by the stereotype of mother. These women were expected to take care of their customers’ needs. That included listening to their concerns or pouring them a drink. Finally, the reason why the changes for flight attendants is positive is because these stereotypes are diminishing, making it easier for males to apply to be a Flight Attendant. Although, because of the male stereotype of breadwinner, which states that the males have to take home more money than women, could be preventing more males from diving into this position. I think that moving away from the traditional “stewardess” is great and I think that more men should consider breaking this gendered norm and apply to be a Flight Attendant. I mean, what person would not what to travel the world?!

If you’re interested check out theses Articles about real Pan Am Stewardesses!